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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:35 pm

I find that quite unnerving, but each to their own.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:47 pm

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It's a farce to say vegans etc are nutritionally deficient.

I think this lad used to much energy trying to post a reply and passed out ... someone get the smelling salts










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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:24 pm

What cruelty is involved in the meat trade? Having seen the inner working of a an abbatoir I can tell you no animals suffer. It is quick and humane. Far quicker and humane that a deer shoot for example.

Specifically to Gaz, do you eat eggs? I noticed you said you consume milk products, do you not think their is any cruelty involved with dairy production? I am assuming it is the slaughtering process that shapes your views on meat eating?

So as not to unfairly pick on Gaz for his choice of meal matter. The irony of me is that I won't eat venison, simple reason, Bambi ruined it for me, and having seen a deer shot, badly and it suffered until it was finally put out of it's misery, that once incident put me off venison and deer hunting for life. I also don't eat beef, the smell puts me off. I eat mainly white meat, chicken fish, pork rarely as well as lamb. The latter 2 I can't eat too much off. I also like Quorn Which I use as a mince subistute. Just don't let 'im indoors know that is a fungi based. He hates fungi.


Second irony, having seen the inner workings of an abbatoir, the animals know what is coming up. I've seen the 'Squealer wagons' roll up on farms, the animals loaded and taken to the abbatoir. The moment that truck pulls in those animals know. Equally the animals know when they are going. That is a feeling is that does not leave you and you can see it in their eyes.

I used to support an animal liberation group, until I realised their efforts to free the animals, used for drug and cosmetic purposes was not fairly dealt with. Freeing things link Mink inot the wild was stuipd, letting loose diseased animals or those who were subjects of experiments did nothing for the benefit of the animals. All it did was bring bad publicity instead of saving those animals.

There lies my ironic nature, knowing and experiencing what I have, should have me being a vegan at best, vegetarian at least. It does not, I still eat meat and shall do so until I am told otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:36 pm

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I have to check packaging for suitable for vegetarians but its no biggy nowadays, theres masses and masses on the market for 'hippies' like me....

I agree there is a vast array of foods for non meat eaters. Yet not all are so veggie friendly. I saw one gravy stating it was suitable for vegetarians, yet the ingredients contained a meat product. Some restaurants cook the veggie options inthe same oils as the meat options. Vegetarianism is not an easy options as unless you grow it yourself, you can't be too sure it is free of taint of the carnivores. Which in this day and time should never happen.

However I laughed when this woman was preaching to me about being a vegan as oppposed to me being a cannibal, I think my chewing her face off must have given her the wrong impression of me. She picked up a packet of gelatine, normal chese and I can't remember the rest. Her face went deep purpe when I pointed out her meat based products. I said the SLOWLY AND VERY LOUDLY too!
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:50 pm

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Second irony, having seen the inner workings of an abbatoir, the animals know what is coming up. I've seen the 'Squealer wagons' roll up on farms, the animals loaded and taken to the abbatoir. The moment that truck pulls in those animals know.

That's spooky.

Makes you think doesn't it? We shouldn't be eating the poor buggers ... we should be hooking their brains up to computers to see where they get this weird sixth sense type thingy from?
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:51 pm

JohnKramer wrote:
http://purelyvegan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=info&action=display&thread=22

^^^ all answers to questions can be found there including how we get nutrients that we can get from plant matter.

There is no excuse for eating meat, dairy, eggs etc for the majority of the human race so it shouldn't be done.

It's a farce to say vegans etc are nutritionally deficient. In general veg*ns are actually more healthy because they're not putting as many carcinogenic containing substances in their body (meat - milk/eggs etc for vegans).

Myself, and many others are living proof you do not to consume animal products. And no, I do NOT take supplements - which you'll find more meat eaters than veg*ns will take since the majority are aimed at omnivorous humans (gelatine, milk, fish oils etc in a lot of supplements).

What do you call potatoes and peppers then, they are carcinogenic and toxic to the body as well many food groups are. It does'nt have to be burnt meat to be just as harmful.

The main message is if you're going to be an extreme meat eater or vegan, you have to accept there may be health consequences. For the fatty meat eaters higher cholestrol for the vegans low B12 levels etc.

A balanced diet, either vegan, vegetarian or carnivore is the key. It is all about the balance and remembering certain food blocks or eradicates certain vitamins and minerals absorption. For vegetarians essential fats can be gained via nuts or dairy products, Vegans rely solely on nuts. Carnivores from meat, dairy and nuts.

Limit your diet you have to provide the bodies requirement in some other way or else the bodys deficiency will be detrimental to your health.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:01 pm

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Second irony, having seen the inner workings of an abbatoir, the animals know what is coming up. I've seen the 'Squealer wagons' roll up on farms, the animals loaded and taken to the abbatoir. The moment that truck pulls in those animals know.

That's spooky.

Makes you think doesn't it? We shouldn't be eating the poor buggers ... we should be hooking their brains up to computers to see where they get this weird sixth sense type thingy from?
It is very eerie and very emotive. I saw the same look in my dog, I had to put down, it knew that special room at the vets was a one way door. That freaked me out, he was very nasty - mental problem caused by unoperable tumour in his brain, and upto the point of going into that room he was in full throws of it.
The second we entered he went quiet and looked up at me, he knew alright what this room meant and I was the only one in there at that point.

The second time I had to take my other dog in for the big sleep, after he had a major stoke and heart attack, he again knew. When I came back from both the other dogs knew too. Even though both dogs had been to the vets and left and fetched back, the other's knew when that one way room was used. I came out feeling like a serial murderer to both of those dogs, even though it was a kindness that had to be done.

Those animals know for sure, wehter it is a smell, or recognition or something humans do to indicate their off to their deaths, but they damn well know it is coming. And yes I balled my eyes out.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:10 pm

YOU balled your eyes out? I'm doing it right now

Clever beasts dogs, I think they really have something we can't pick up on .. you hear these stories of dogs going wild the moment their owner dies far away etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:16 pm

Dogs, man's best friend, would we be the same if we kept cows as pets I wonder?


Ah, so your virtually Pescatarian then GG? ...apart from the lamb, this is the one I can't eat any more, Gaz painted a picture of a baby sheep frolicking, snatched away from it's mother in a sunny field.....lamb no more for me!

Strange, I just don't get that with chicken or beef or pork? I want to get it, I just don't!

It did take me a few weeks getting used to using different utensils and pots for different things, washing meat trays last etc.....now I wouldn't have to think twice about it. It does not bother me or take any longer, infact I really admire Gaz for his belief, I've said it before, it's the one thing in his life that has been a constant, there's not many of them let me tell you!.



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:22 pm

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YOU balled your eyes out? I'm doing it right now

Clever beasts dogs, I think they really have something we can't pick up on .. you hear these stories of dogs going wild the moment their owner dies far away etc.

It is true.
Greyfriars Bobby A true story as is the latest film Hachiko: A Dog's Story.

When my mum had cancer my daughters dog. Mine who are not slow at all and do everything at full charge, know when I come out of hospital and say hello very gently and even escort me to the bathroom and wait and escort me back before doing everything at a hundred miles an hour. And they know where I have been operated on and go out of their way to avoid hurting that area. My eldest one growled at the area when my wound began to fester alerting me all was not right. Dogs aren't all that daft, expect mine who are just hysterically, fast, floor flattening and plain daft.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:32 pm

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Dogs, man's best friend, would we be the same if we kept cows as pets I wonder?


Ah, so your virtually Pescatarian then GG? ...apart from the lamb, this is the one I can't eat any more, Gaz painted a picture of a baby sheep frolicking, snatched away from it's mother in a sunny field.....lamb no more for me!

Strange, I just don't get that with chicken or beef or pork? I want to get it, I just don't!

It did take me a few weeks getting used to using different utensils and pots for different things, washing meat trays last etc.....now I wouldn't have to think twice about it. It does not bother me or take any longer, infact I really admire Gaz for his belief, I've said it before, it's the one thing in his life that has been a constant, there's not many of them let me tell you!.
I had a cow as apet, my ex-motherinlaw gave me a sickly one to mother. Not expecting it to surive it did and I ate it when it went off for slaughter. Oddly enough I felt tearful when it went but not for eating it. I guess my mentatlity is I regard thema s a common food source. Cows, pig, sheep and chicken are bred for food production and that is the reason I don't get hung up on it. They are the faceless mainstream bred for purpose commodity.

Would you eat horse or dog or cat? If they were part of the faceless everyday commodity you probably would. If as they are a food source available in certain countries or pukka pies, you were then given the choice to eat, I would not eat them. For me they are pets. Irony strikes again. I had a horse as a pet as well as a cow but I'd eat the cow with no backward thought but not the horse. It is not mainstream.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:44 pm

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Mrs-G wrote:
Dogs, man's best friend, would we be the same if we kept cows as pets I wonder?


Ah, so your virtually Pescatarian then GG? ...apart from the lamb, this is the one I can't eat any more, Gaz painted a picture of a baby sheep frolicking, snatched away from it's mother in a sunny field.....lamb no more for me!

Strange, I just don't get that with chicken or beef or pork? I want to get it, I just don't!

It did take me a few weeks getting used to using different utensils and pots for different things, washing meat trays last etc.....now I wouldn't have to think twice about it. It does not bother me or take any longer, infact I really admire Gaz for his belief, I've said it before, it's the one thing in his life that has been a constant, there's not many of them let me tell you!.
I had a cow as apet, my ex-motherinlaw gave me a sickly one to mother. Not expecting it to surive it did and I ate it when it went off for slaughter. Oddly enough I felt tearful when it went but not for eating it. I guess my mentatlity is I regard thema s a common food source. Cows, pig, sheep and chicken are bred for food production and that is the reason I don't get hung up on it. They are the faceless mainstream bred for purpose commodity.

Would you eat horse or dog or cat? If they were part of the faceless everyday commodity you probably would. If as they are a food source available in certain countries or pukka pies, you were then given the choice to eat, I would not eat them. For me they are pets. Irony strikes again. I had a horse as a pet as well as a cow but I'd eat the cow with no backward thought but not the horse. It is not mainstream.


Much like the Dancing on Ice audience then...

Actually Gris, thats as cold a sentence as i've heard in many a year that...

Cows are beautiful looking creatures with huge gorgeous eyes and have not a fraction of malice in them...Pigs are known to be far more intelligent than any mutt yet they are a faceless commodity and the stupid drooling flea ridden arse licking own pooh eating beast in front of your fire isn't...?

Oh, and no, i dont eat eggs... wink

The thought of eating anythings embryo is bloody revolting...



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:54 pm

I agree that is a cold sentance, It is horrid but true. What do many people see,a happy cow or a slab of cold meat in the supermarket. The latter.

I agree cows are gorgeous except Charolias's they shit on you from a distance. Projectile shitting, no warning too - nasty things,I've worn more pojectiles than I can count. Given my ex-father-in-law many a laugh.

Cows can be malicious you know. Don't get fooled by those big doe eyes. They can turn on you and have caught people out by surrounding them sudenly with intent to injure and some have injured people doing so. I'm not talking about the horned variety of cows and they can hurt intentionally or accidently.


so baby ribs are off your menu too.

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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:03 pm

ha ha
this is a good thread

on topic
me i have the same attitude as the Chinese if it moves eat it thumbs up
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:44 am

ha ha
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:09 am

shocked ....Freek! Why would you? Surely that's more cruel than ever? Dogs are savage, pigs can't run that fast?



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:14 pm

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shocked ....Freek! Why would you? Surely that's more cruel than ever? Dogs are savage, pigs can't run that fast?
Pigs can run fast, and are just as savage. You try gettin in a pig pen with a sow, their bites damn well hurts and they mean it to. Wild boar are just as nasty. Don't forget pigs can eat human beings, I mean all of it, far better to get rid of bodies that way than under hide them under the patio.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:21 pm

I really should be a veggie........loads of stuff repulses me, but I love my beef! wink



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:27 pm

if it were possible, i could live on green olives, especially the large ones
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:31 pm

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I really should be a veggie........loads of stuff repulses me, but I love my beef! wink
I think it is harder to be a veggie or even a vegan. Society norms are of meat 2 veg etc as an acceptable meal.

Most people if asked, myself included would not know how to replicate a balanced meal or protein, dairy,fats,carbs etc using only vegatarian options or even vegan.

How does a vegan replicate protein(iron minerals etc) or dairy (calcium etc) requirements?
Nuts contain some elements, ie fats, minerals etc, Spinach which is a good iron source, but on whole how balanced can or is either a vegetarian or vegan diet compared to a typical meat eaters diet?

I love eggs, n dairy to go on to a vegan diet. It has to be hard as how on earth do you meake cakes etc without eggs. Silly things like that stopme from switching over to a vegetarian or vegan diet.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:41 pm

I know that there are recipes for cakes, my mum as a wedding cake maker does have to do them from time to time for vegans and they turn out equally as nice. As for the icing that's more tricky as you usually use egg white/merry white but she gets a substitute from the health shop.



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:46 pm

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if it were possible, i could live on green olives, especially the large ones

Urgh! I tried an olive once puke



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:54 pm

to be fair, i can eat a great many countries foods, Polish, Chinese, (although i am getting a little worried about it) Italian ..... even Jamaican
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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:00 pm

That's my problem with not being a veggie...I love Chinese, Mexican, Indian, Italian, French.....Gaz does too though and he gets by?



but I'd die if I couldn't have my beef in black bean sauce or my sushi or my chicken fajita wraps cry



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PostSubject: Re: Vegetarians VS Meat Eaters   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:03 pm

I suspect it may be true, the saying ...

"You are what you eat!"

having said that? ... i definitely dont look like an OLIVE
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