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PostSubject: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:20 pm

As we are all waiting to hear when the next general election is due here in the UK, what is your opinion on politics?

Do you go to vote, is there any point in voting, do you have faith in the party you vote for?



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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:18 pm

I don't vote... mostly because I just feel disenchanted by the whole thing, but the laziness doesn't help either I guess.

It's a counter-productive attitude, but it all seems much of a muchness and in this case a placebo isn't as good as the real thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:25 pm

Have only ever voted once and i even got that bloody wrong..

Man, the pressure i felt in that booth....


I must admit to lethargy about it all, same as most folk, because whoever we get in does precisely the opposite of what they promise to do before they are elected...then it gets on me tits all the childishness at each other..!

Look, it doesn't matter what the other party did wrong 7 years ago, you just do it fuckin right and everyones appy....



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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:03 pm

vote yes of course i do and being too lazy to vote dont wash with me
shit you can vote by mail now
and usually a week before polling day
so get to it and vote this year
but dont vote for the three main tory parties [yes i said tory's] and they are
labour,liberals or the conservatives
vote for the little parties
get them in the big house
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:14 pm

I think that we don't take elections seriously enough in the UK, over in France the turnout for voting is something like 78% compared to us at around 32%?

I suppose we are wasting a chance to change the country? If we could be bothered to go and actually voice our opinion by voting we might actually get what we desire but because we distrust the 3 main parties so much we tend to forget that the smaller parties even exist.

I have voted in the past but not in recent times, when i have thought about it I usually can't find the polling cards

Maybe we should set up a campaign to make voting popular again....



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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:18 pm

im led to believe only 20% of the population that were eligible to vote ,voted last time
so thats 80% who dont have a voice
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:35 pm

In my defence, laziness is a small part of it; As confused and/or ill informed as I may be, there are genuine reasons too... First of all, and as simply as I can think to put it -

Surely as long as we have a representative "democracy" - rather than a purer, more direct, form (like anarchy) - coupled with "human nature" things can't, or are not likely, to be any better...?

I honestly believe that within the current system a vote, in real terms, translates into a false satisfaction, or sense of control; hence, "...in this case a placebo isn't as good as the real thing."


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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:36 am

Never bothered voting. Doesn't matter who is in power we still get screwed in some way. If one party promises to lower taxes on one thing, they only raise it on something else to compensate. Bunch of conning wankers, and anyone who wants to go into politics as a proffession thinking they can make the country a better place is either sick and twisted or extremely deluded
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:42 am

Easy answer, do I have faith in any of the parites to do what they say. NO!

Harder answer. Do I vote, I waived the right to.

Perhaps more would vote if the party spins would made compulsory so if the Labdogs said they would freely allow Gaz to run naked down his street on Sunday then that is done.

NOT promise to give everybody £10 and then never pay out. They all lie and they are all the same. Make them accountable to what they promise or say they will do, more folks might just leave the couch to stamp an x on the form.

That or add, none of the above to the ballot papers. I am sure that would gain a lot of votes.
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:10 am

short and simple answer no I don't vote
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:47 am

Mrs-G wrote:
I think that we don't take elections seriously enough in the UK, over in France the turnout for voting is something like 78% compared to us at around 32%?

I suppose we are wasting a chance to change the country? If we could be bothered to go and actually voice our opinion by voting we might actually get what we desire but because we distrust the 3 main parties so much we tend to forget that the smaller parties even exist.

I have voted in the past but not in recent times, when i have thought about it I usually can't find the polling cards

Maybe we should set up a campaign to make voting popular again....
In the first round of the regional legislatives here this week-end there was a 53% abstentions. Lots of people here are feeling that it is not worth voting as all the political parties do the same thing. just argy bargy between themselves. Plus that is how we got stuck with Sarko cos the leftwing voters could not bother.
If I could vote here I would. As I have retained my english nationality then I can only vote in local or european elections. even so I would vote socialist or slightly more to the left. I am a worker and cannot see the point in giving my vote to the right wing parties.
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:06 pm

I am surprised, I have always been amazed at the passion with which the French use their right to vote, it seems Sarko has done much more damage than good?



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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:29 pm

Tch Tch
as much has you disillusioned with the electoral system it is all we have
so if you don't vote you can't
moan if things happen you don't agree with
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:16 pm

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as much has you disillusioned with the electoral system it is all we have
so if you don't vote you can't
moan if things happen you don't agree with

I would disagree considering that 'all we have' is the problem... Or at least part of it.

The tragedy is that, really, 'we' are the problem. 'We' created the system... the 'ruling class' and all the rubbish that goes with that.


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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:48 pm

no i disagree you are a symptom not the problem
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:53 pm

I don't understand... sorry. What do you mean?
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:23 pm

quote The tragedy is that, really, 'we' are the problem. 'We' created the system... the 'ruling class' and all the rubbish that goes with that.quote

no you are the symptom not the problem

you and your apathy to the election is the result
of being let down by the powers that be
why not find your voice again and get down that polling station and make a difference
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:55 pm

Mrs-G wrote:
I am surprised, I have always been amazed at the passion with which the French use their right to vote, it seems Sarko has done much more damage than good?
Sarko got in due to the disineressement of the French and on the promise to get the country safe from hoodlums! Since he has become a little hitler. Quite possibly when the next general election comes around, 2012 there will be a massive turnout to get rid of him!
As said if you do not vote then you cannot moan. We have the luck to live in democratic countries, a lot of people do not. Use your votes to good use! If the people elected do not do things right , make them remember just who pays their wages cos they are our employed people! It is about time that they got this into their head, we pay them not them us!
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:10 pm

an understanding of the word helps ... friends

POLITICS ..

POLI = A collection of ...

TICS = ... blood sucking insects !! doh

I rest my case ...
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:52 am

lol! Now THAT makes much more sense!



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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:40 am

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The tragedy is that, really, 'we' are the problem. 'We' created
the system... the 'ruling class' and all the rubbish that goes with
that.

no you are the symptom not the problem

you and your apathy to the election is the result
of being let down by the powers that be
why not find your voice again and get down that polling station and make a difference

In part, yes, but it extends to the form of government itself... Why don't I "get down that polling station and make a difference?" simply because I don't believe it's that easy.

In essence: Under a representative democracy we elect others to, well, represent us - 'The People'. right?
My problem is really that first word...'under'...
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:29 am

The thing is Turnip, like I said we pay them not them us. They are there to represent us. If we do not like what they do then we do as any employer would. get rid of them and that is by voting! They are there to do a job not to use Parlement as a kids playground.
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:21 pm

Have I left it too long to reply ... hmm?

I agree Inuit. That is theoretically correct but my opinion, that I clearly have failed miserably in putting across, is that it doesn't quite work out as such.

I find it difficult to explain concisely. Let me dissect your theory instead.

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The thing is Turnip, like I said we pay them not them us

I would beg to differ. The bank of England is (correct me if I am wrong) owned by our government ... Your central bank is owned by the EU (once again correct me if I am wrong).


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They are there to represent us.

Quite right but have you ever met anyone satisfied by their representation?

As an example, parliament can over turn the result of a referendum here. Is that a power born of representation?


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If we do not like what they do then we do as any employer would. get rid
of them and that is by voting!

So the employee dictates to the employer the length of employment?
Yes, we have Parliament Act 1911 here which makes the maximum term 5 years (I think that is right) but the fact remains.

The structure of the system also leads to detachment of the people; lack of involvement is bound to. I'm not suggesting that ALL people do not understand or don't know what they want ... but is this really the healthiest state for a nation?


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They are there to do a job not to use Parlement as a kids
playground.

Is it fair to mention the Official Secrets Act?
Is it fair to mention the 'expenses scandal'?
Is it fair to mention the [Prevention of] Terrorism Act (or whatever it is called)?
Is it fair to mention the Chagos Islands? - not that I mean to connect it with ' kids playground', just that this is an example of the power given and the tragedies that result.


In short what I believe we have is an oligarchy or ruling class in absolute control ... Mayer Rothschild famously said (although I'm not sure when or where, lol)
'Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes her laws' ... I wondered what he would have said to the offer of both?

It's become cliché but I do think people need to 'wake up'; not to my opinion because it is just that - my opinion - but to ask the questions (and hopefully give me some answers when they find them).

Do I look sufficiently foolish now?
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PostSubject: Re: Politics - Do you Vote?   Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:50 pm

You can mention the official secrets act but you can't talk about it or why you have signed it. I have and I'm still controlled by it even though I no longer work in the environment that governed it.

Peed me off last week, when I got some over pompous official demanding to know why I had not registered to vote. Got right uppity when I said well have you written on the ballot papers so I can vote for none of the above. Got even shittier with me by then telling me I was being silly. So it got put in its place as to why I am unregistered. Talk about back peddling and profused apologies. I still rang it through to the Council and reported the shitty little man and demanded a written apology and explanation as to why such persons were harassing me when they are not supposed to and that I shall be informing the powers that be about their indiscretions and they will no doubt pursue the matter further as to why such a disclosure was made and how much leak/damage they have caused.

I could feel the colour draining from their end of the phone. Stupid little twerps.
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