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PostSubject: What Happens When We Die?   Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:50 am

What do you think happens when we die, do we get reincarnated, go to heaven or hell or just turn to dust?



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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:29 am

Dust.

I think that the energy, the spark which makes us think carrys on though. It's just that, without the the body - we have no way of recognising it, no way of feeling it, we don't have the physical consciousness to.

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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:55 am

Where we go I don't know but I always think of it like this........

Our bodies are made up of lots of parts, a bit like a radio, and all these parts have to work in conjunction with each other (again like the radio) If one part stops working then the whole thing stops.....but to run a radio you need batteries or electricity right? There must be an invisible energy that makes all our body parts work together, you may say that's the heart?...but the brain tells the heart to work, what tells the brain to work etc? I like to think it's that invisible energy again, some call it spirit or soul or karma?

To me it's that energy that lives on once the body has turned to dust. Does it go into another vessel, does it go to heaven or hell? I don't know but some of life's questions just aren't meant to be answered.



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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:02 am

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I don't know but some of life's questions just aren't meant to be answered.

Why not?

I wish I could define conciousness (if that's even the right word). Although I can't begin to, I do think that it has to be far 'greater' than us... the physical us anyway.

There are many interesting and appealing ideas - certain interpretations of the holographic paradigm, for example; Elements of Buddhism (samsara, dharma, etc); I'd imagine, in the face of death, even the Christian concept of eternal life ... countless others, but they are things I wish to be true, not that I believe necessarily are.

I think before we can even begin to contemplate 'what happens when we die?' we need to come to a proper understanding of what 'we' are ...
Am I allowed to ask that question here? What are we?

EDIT: By that I don't mean to disregard what's already been said, I just mean that these theories open up a seemingly endless array of questions that we can try to answer, so, shall we?

For example, if you believe in an 'invisible force' or 'spirit' then, surely, as important as where they go/it goes when we die, where did they/it come from in the first place? Were they/was it born with us, or have they/has it always existed, or something in between? Are they/is it a part of us ... are we a vessel for them/it ... are they/is it us? Extending that, are we all personalities of the same thing (imagine a schizophrenic spirit 'poly-pus', each of us an arm - not a good analogy, but it made me chuckle)...?
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:44 am

Fark all we turn to dust..
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:27 pm

I ruddy come back and haunt the NHS and strangle its staff when they don't do their ruddy jobs properly. Especially Dr's with rude non existant bedside manner.


Aside from that we are worm fodder or fertilzer depending how you get done at the end. Our energy (soul) simply turns off.
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:10 am

What happens to us depends on how we are treated after we snuff it. You either end up as a pile of ashes or worm food. Either way i personally don't believe we go to a heaven or hell. I think that was all created because of man's fear of what is actually beyond death (or the fact we don't know what is) , and the human races inability to just accept that once you die there is nothing, your time is up and you are no longer. Therefore we had to create something beyond death.
I sometimes think that if mankind believed the truth they would make more of the time they had on earth, be more willing to make more of the short time we actually have
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:28 am

I'm "alive" and I'll probably "die" before I can comprehend them but if they are directly opposing concepts then can't we assume that there is more to 'death' then simply not 'being'; just as 'life' is more than being said to be?

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Our energy (soul) simply turns off.

Surely, if we are to liken the 'soul' to energy, it would be - bearing in mind the conservation of energy - more accurate to describe it as a transformation, rather than flicking a switch and it's gone? In which case ones return to the earth becomes literal, observable and scientifically examinable even.

If it were true, we could dispose of [what would be] the myth of death. Transcendence becomes reality ... 'life' too comes into question.

This could also coincide with the idea that we are, in fact, the food of the universe; In turn begging the question, is the universe conscious? A sci-fi writer's dream...

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I think that was all created because of man's fear of what is actually
beyond death (or the fact we don't know what is) , and the human races
inability to just accept that once you die there is nothing, your time
is up and you are no longer. Therefore we had to create something beyond
death.

Doesn't the fear and frustration of not knowing also extend to 'life'?

If we consider your (the) definitions of life and death, then, surely, we can only consider ourselves 'empty' ... organic robots ... a cocktail of chemicals.

In which case, why?

Doesn't that viewpoint lend itself to the idea of a creator, we were designed and made for a purpose just like our computers?


I've got question after question after question... won't somebody indulge me?
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:17 am

.tUrniP wrote:
I'm "alive" and I'll probably "die" before I can comprehend them but if they are directly opposing concepts then can't we assume that there is more to 'death' then simply not 'being'; just as 'life' is more than being said to be?

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Our energy (soul) simply turns off.

Surely, if we are to liken the 'soul' to energy, it would be - bearing in mind the conservation of energy - more accurate to describe it as a transformation, rather than flicking a switch and it's gone? In which case ones return to the earth becomes literal, observable and scientifically examinable even.

If it were true, we could dispose of [what would be] the myth of death. Transcendence becomes reality ... 'life' too comes into question.

This could also coincide with the idea that we are, in fact, the food of the universe; In turn begging the question, is the universe conscious? A sci-fi writer's dream...

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I think that was all created because of man's fear of what is actually
beyond death (or the fact we don't know what is) , and the human races
inability to just accept that once you die there is nothing, your time
is up and you are no longer. Therefore we had to create something beyond
death.

Doesn't the fear and frustration of not knowing also extend to 'life'?

If we consider your (the) definitions of life and death, then, surely, we can only consider ourselves 'empty' ... organic robots ... a cocktail of chemicals.

In which case, why?

Doesn't that viewpoint lend itself to the idea of a creator, we were designed and made for a purpose just like our computers?


I've got question after question after question... won't somebody indulge me?

Why does it mean we have to have been created for a purpose, other than just to be. Just a combination of chemicals, conditions and circumstances that came together to created living organisms. I think the purpose/meaning of life is just to live and do what you can with the time you have.

But it does raise so many questions.
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:28 am

the good will go to heaven and the bad will go to hell
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:30 pm

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Why does it mean we have to have been created for a purpose, other than just to be. Just a combination of chemicals, conditions and circumstances that came together to created living organisms. I think the purpose/meaning of life is just to live and do what you can with the time you have.

But it does raise so many questions.
It doesn't, it's just a plausible premise from that standpoint.

In your chaotic view of existence how can free will exist? If thought is only the effect of a combination of chemicals then only through control of those chemicals can thought be manipulated. Either there is something beyond this chemical cocktail or we live in a deterministic (or, at least, uncontrollable) system.

A) Why or how would a combination of chemicals doubt itself?
B) If 'you' do not choose what 'you' do or think do 'you' really exist (in any worthwhile way)?
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:16 pm

ARRGGGHHHHHH! MY HEAD HURTS

But fair points, well there is one way to find out. Depends if your

A) a gambling man
B) Got the guts

and

C) Fancy chatting to that annoying shit Derek Achora and letting us know what it's like
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:15 pm

Talking of Derek Acorah...





By the way, I'd just like to add (because I think it's quite important) that your 'purpose/meaning' uses circular logic.
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PostSubject: Re: What Happens When We Die?   Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:23 am

He is such a con man. The tit falls off the chair, but then thinks rather than make a knob of myself and make it look like i was pushed by the spirit. Wanker!

People like him annoy me to fook! They prey on the destressed and gullible. You aske them to get you the lottery numbers they say that old bollocks that it's a gift and can't be used for financial gain. Yet if you want a readingor to talk to a deceased loved one you have to pay them for that. Is that not a financial gain. I better Derek "the wanker" achora has made a pretty penny from all his bullshit, overacting and conman tricks.... sorry "gift"

Also they keep trying to see ghosts on that program, asking them to show themselves. And then you Get Achora who says he has this "spirit guide" who he talks to whenever needed. So if they really want to see a ghost why doesn't he just tell this spirit guide to appear before them.
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