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PostSubject: Does alien abduction really exist?   Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:46 am

Does alien abduction really exist?

The people
who experience the symptoms of "alien abduction" present no evidence
that it was actually aliens who cause them; they simply attribute it to
aliens suppositionally. This seems to be a knee-jerk reaction when
faced with something unknown. However a few "abductees" go on to get a
lot of attention and a fair amount of money pandering to the gullible
at UFO "congresses" and conventions, where they are treated as
celebrities. Hence many abduction stories have ulterior motives (e.g.,
the Travis Walton story) or have been heavily embellished beyond the
facts (e.g., Betty and Barney Hill).

Our best science so far suggests that phenomena such as sleep paralysis
account for the majority of reported "abductions" that are not clearly
hoaxes.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:59 pm

Sleep paralysis is the main culprit not only in alleged alien abductions, but also incubus/succubus attacks through to demon manifestos and attacks.

How best to find a theory to encompass the rest. There are those conspirators who subscribe to the theory that government personnel are behind some with their secret experiments on humans.

Others lend toward the theory that the mind has had a glitch by running both something watched with memory overlay. Causing a film that is both correct nd incorrect while the body fights what it perceives to see. Fight or flight instinct is powerful and if presented with such terror as abduction or demonic manifestation would trigger and overdrive effect. This theory like sleep paralysis states is more likely.

The fact of the matter is the governments of the world if they were experimenting o the general public would never admit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:51 am

So actual alien abduction isn't even up for consideration?
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:16 am

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So actual alien abduction isn't even up for consideration?

Hang on.























Ok.... I've considered it. Do you think actual alien abduction exists?
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:50 am

I think the potential exists.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:46 am

.tUrniP wrote:
I think the potential exists.
How do you think the potential exists.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:13 pm

I just mean that aliens may exist, may have the desire and they may have the means.

Conversely, of course, they may not.

I just think that the possibilities are vast, especially considering the nature of our 'knowledge'.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:38 pm

'Our knowledge' is what exactly?
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:16 pm

Potentially none existent.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:33 am

You asked [quote]I just think that the possibilities are vast, especially considering the nature of our 'knowledge'.[/quote]

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'Our knowledge' is what exactly?

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Potentially none existent.

Can you explain both your quoted posts please.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:32 am

I must have meant nonexistent; I think it was just a typo' ...

Anyway, our basis for knowledge - guessing - by definition means that we don't necessarily know anything. That's all I meant.

How is it relevent?

Well, when we think of extraterrestial life we tend to think of Greys or little green men, of discoid UFO, physically invasive probing, all that film stuff ... What else are we supposed to think of?
That's exactly the point, our comprehension and our perception are limited.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:45 pm

I don't view alien life as grey men, big eyes with fetish for anal probing. Mars has bacteria on it therefore that constitutes alien life and as bacteria has a form of intelligence it sort of makes it more intelligent than human, using your post.

Saying that, basing on your post an amoeba and the entire animal, mineral, vegetable etc system is highly intelligent and human being the complete village idiot, don't it.

Now if I use what I deem to be alien, and base that on the bacteria/viruses. Then alien abductions has take place. Probably it floated down and hijacked the nearest human being and gave it a common cold or other virus. No anal probes were made during its hijacking. A quick up your nose and bingo impregnated by an alien.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:52 pm

Okay, it was just the easiest example and in the sense that I used "knowledge" I'd suggest that there is a difference between it and intelligence.

Assuming the "existence" of objective truth (not necessarily a good idea) we can, in turn, assume that absolute knowledge of anything requires total omniscience due to the intertwined nature of phenomenon. In other words, we could be wrong... the universe doesn't necessarily conform to our current models or perception and we don't know everything. In fact, the progression of science stems from revelations and (maybe more so) corrections.

Specifically, since understanding is derivative, we tend towards things we've seen before when it comes to the abstract. Imagining the possibilities of extraterrestrial "life" is alien to us ... especially since we don't yet have a definitive meaning for "life".



Nonsense, you say? Maybe...
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:04 pm

Though "alien abduction" might be possible in such as an entity which comes from space. One thing has to be taken into consideration, the distance any lifeform would have to travel to get here. Up until this moment , man cannot travel at the speeds necessary to get anywhere in space quick. Unknown lifeforms might have got over that but usng which methods? it has been said it is impossible, to go faster than the speed of light. Even if aliens could do this, travel at light speed in lots of cases it would take them thousands of years to get here. Einstein brought up the notion of Knots and worm holes in space and that even space was bent by gravity. Having knowledge of this would greatly help any space traveller. But then we base time on our conception of it and not as possibly would a different lifeform. Again their life span might be totally different to ours, possibly having attained what we would consider as quasi-immortality. So then distance might not be a problem, except of course, boredom.
They might have been here possibly for years, even centuries. Some people go as far as treating many figures of history as aliens , such as Jesus, Da Vinci, certain prophets and some of the great thinkers of the past. The Bible relates sightings of strange craft and In Genesis there is the story of local people marrying with giants . These had strange and mystical powers but then so does any nation or people in regards to a culture totally different or of another age.
Abductions might have happened, but I am like St Thomas. I need proof.

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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:38 pm

Which method to travel here fast. Big V8 flying saucers.

Best method would be either folding space or wormholes. Latter would speed up travel but unless the hole is manages the end might not be where intended.


What most people forget is our killer radiation belt that circles the planet. Then there is the compatibility with our atmosphere and germs etc. Then factor is gravity differentials coming here and remaing alive or hovering will be no easy task to overcome.

As for the giants, they were the angels that fell for mortal folk or fell from grace.
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:46 pm

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Best method would be either folding space or wormholes.


Haha......i first read that as folding space and wombles...




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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:41 pm

There again as has been said, lifeforms can take on any appearance . Ccould we not be a virus or a speck of dust on some-ones jacket? Or a grain of sand in a spacial desert , similare to the Sahara? What is on the outside of the Universe? Talk of aliens can only bring on these questions . Then if space is bent by gravity and such, is the edge really at 14 billion light years distance or closer than we thought?
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:06 am

Gaznandi wrote:
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Best method would be either folding space or wormholes.


Haha......i first read that as folding space and wombles...

Numpty! I supposes as it is you a womble would be more appropriate
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PostSubject: Re: Does alien abduction really exist?   Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:23 am

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There again as has been said, lifeforms can take on any appearance . Could we not be a virus or a speck of dust on some-ones jacket? Or a grain of sand in a spacial desert , similar to the Sahara? What is on the outside of the Universe? Talk of aliens can only bring on these questions . Then if space is bent by gravity and such, is the edge really at 14 billion light years distance or closer than we thought?
Oh the matrix effect. Where we are not as we think we are.

We could well be a parasite living on another host, until proven otherwise all the theories no matter how far fetched all can stand shoulder to shoulder.

As for the space time curve effect. Another theory, which one of them reports gravity is strongest at the most curved part, again another theory that may have some merit until disproved.

Check out NASA SITE for they have an interesting theory that the earth drags and alters time and space around it.

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An international team of NASA and university researchers has dramatically improved the accuracy of the first direct evidence that the Earth drags space and time around itself as it rotates. The measurements used the latest gravity models obtained from NASA's GRACE mission

Einsteins theory of general gravity differs from special gravitation effect.

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In Albert Einstein's theories of relativity, time dilation in these two circumstances can be summarized:

  • In special relativity (or, hypothetically far from all gravitational mass), clocks that are moving with respect to an inertial system of observation are measured to be running slower. This effect is described precisely by the Lorentz transformation.



String theory is another equations in the whole space travel conundrum

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The classical theory of space time geometry that we call gravity consists of the Einstein equation, which relates the curvature of space time to the distribution of matter and energy in space time. But how do the Einstein equations come out of string theory?
If a closed string is traveling in a curved space time, then the coordinates of the string in space time feel this curvature as the string propagates. Once again, the answer lies on the string worldsheet. In order for their to be a consistent quantum theory in this case, the curved space in which the string travels must be a solution to the Einstein equations.
Now this is really something! This was a very convincing result for string theorists. Not only does string theory predict the graviton from flat space time physics alone, but string theory also predicts the Einstein equation will be obeyed by a curved space time in which strings propagate

Until a black hole is investigated and anything that does survives all theory's stand as plausible. a black hole in theory will prove or disprove many theories including Albert's E-mc2 and Newtons law of gravity.

Then there is the longstanding theory of parallel universes.
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Parallel universe aka multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including our universe) that together comprise everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. The term was coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James.[1] The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes.
The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", and "alternative timelines", among others.
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