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PostSubject: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:09 am



The video offers a rare glimpse of the type of punishment inflicted on women who break the country's strict morality code.

The victim was punished under Sharia law for wearing trousers under her Islamic clothing.

The footage shows her crawling on the ground, raising her arm to try to ward off the attacks and screaming as the whip strikes.


Sky's foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall said: "It is a frequent occurrence but very rarely filmed.

"The punishment is under laws brought in 1991 for indecent behaviour - it is justice under those laws."

As well as pain and humiliation, the video also shows, how for some, it is entertainment, as a man is shown laughing at the woman after she is whipped

The laws are enforced by his puritanical public order police, who seek out what are known as "trouser girls".

"The government appears to be furious that these images were filmed, despite ordering thousands of such whippings every year," Marshall said.

"As a result, its launched an investigation saying there was a mistake in the way the filming was carried out."

However, it is unclear if this refers to the filming, the public spectacle, or the fact that on at least one occasion the woman is struck in the face.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:08 pm

I will not reply what I think of these people or it will get me a ban. I have in my computer the stoning to death of a young woman , 17 years old . Her crime? She was seen walking with some-one not of her secte/religion and did nothing to convert the man to her religion. For this she was stoned to death, beaten . And these people want us to accept their religion and believes ? I will politely say '" Get stuffed " but I will let you imagine what I would say .
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:14 pm

You' really reckon you'd get a ban from here mate..?
Say what you wish, this sites a free speech environment... wink



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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:16 pm

a flipside to this, but the UK also did not tolerate women wearing trousers once. It was only since the 1970's the UK that women wearing trousers were acceptable.

In the Victorian times it was a scandal to have women wearing such garments, seen on unseen. Those caught also were punished and ridiculed .That went on behind closed doors.

Sharia Law is used by men to control women quite simply. The Taliban use Sharia Law on those who seek to either educate themselves or educate females. For the Tailaban and much of Afghanistan, females are considered chattel and nothing else.

I abhor the use of Sharia's law and cannot understand those who live under its leash.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:15 am

Got your permission then Gaz? Right, they are fucking bastards who should not walk this fair planet we call Earth and Home. There is no place here , especially in the modern world, for such laws, all edicted by uncouth , uncivilised men , uneducated , who through this law reduce half of their population to objects and slaves to their desires and will. As in Iran , Pakistan , Afghanistan with the stoning and immolation of women , ever heard of a man being punished in this way?
As for wearing the veil ( Voile ?) , according to the Koran , only four women were supposedly obliged to do this . they were the four wives of the prophet. There is no mention of it being obligitary for the other women.
the immigrants, whether having obtained nationality of their host countries should abide by the laws of that country and realise that their so called "law" is forbidden .
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:34 am

Anyone who didn't watch the move The Stoning of Soraya M, i urge you to, it's quite superb..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1277737/

http://maddogz.forumotion.co.uk/drama-f38/the-stoning-of-soraya-m-t1215.htm?highlight=stoning+of+soraya+m

get it watched, it'll stay with you for a long time afterwards...
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:22 am

The veil is not enforacable it is choice by the woman, However men do enforce this upon their wives. I had a ninja as 'im indoors call them, in the war when I was in hosptial. She was distressed as he enforced her towear the veil and to cover up. That was one issue, the other was he went up the flaming wall at her if a man so much as entered the ward.

Even the Drs being male sent him off ona triade. Glad to say a little word in his ear from me about the stupidity of his actions and that she would not get better and be home if he carried on that way and that everytime a male Dr examined her she insisted a female, nurse or patient was with her. Her veil stayed on, even right upto her operation it reamined on and after it was put back on her. Shame as she had a lovely face on her.

I felt so sorry for her and him I could have buried alive in quicksand.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:53 pm

Gris Gris , a very good example of the stupidity of these men. At a time when his wife needed peace and quiet , there he was shoving stress at her. Plus the fact that he objected to male doctors etc.That the woman exprimed the desire to have another woman at her side when examined is not overdoing it and I am sure that a doctor would not disagree to that. Her "husband" is so pathetic that it makes me sick. I am sure that the woman would have been better off with out him.
I take that you mean head first in the quicksand? If you need a helping hand , let me know.
Yes I have the film after you spoke about it sometime ago Gaz . I still have not had time to watch it yet.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:51 am

There are not enough abusive words in existence for the people who enforce and agree with this pathetic law and the rag heads who enforce it or gain enjoyment from it.
I have no problem with them wearing the "ninja" veils. However i do believe they should remove it if asked for reasonable security reasons. This country has a right to protect itself from extremeist knobheads, and i wouldn't put it past one of thisbellends to wear a veil in order to evade security. I'm sorry if it offends but if you can't live with that then they should remember that it is their own countrymen who have forced our hand into these actions. These people are quick enough to want away from their own government who practice these type of laws, but when it suits them they start preaching it to us. But to be clear no woman, man or child should be subject to sad ordeal this woman was subjected too.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:21 am

sick fucks what sort of law is that fucking sick.
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:03 pm

I'm going to try this on Julz the next time she wears breeks tongue

Being serious...

If you do the crime you do the time, as the saying goes.

For all inhumane I think that sort of punishment is, she would have known what the law was on wearing trousers under her Islamic clothing and suffered the consequences of her actions.

I'm sure she won't be doing that in a hurry again.



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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:17 pm

Well and good TW , she knew the risk she was taking . But it is a law enforced on people and strives to abaise women. I think that if all the islamic women were to turn round and tell their men, " that is enough" and stand up to their decision , thinks might just be different. Plus the fact it is the wmen who get punished. you never hear of a man getting whipped or stoned to death !
I would not like to be in your shoes if you tried it on Julz ! help
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:43 pm

inuit wrote:
Well and good TW , she knew the risk she was taking . But it is a law enforced on people and strives to abaise women. I think that if all the islamic women were to turn round and tell their men, " that is enough" and stand up to their decision , thinks might just be different. Plus the fact it is the wmen who get punished. you never hear of a man getting whipped or stoned to death !
I would not like to be in your shoes if you tried it on Julz ! help
In that context, men do not.

Zeinab Huq wrote this piece and it sums Sharia Law up nicely.

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Sharia is so abstract, yet so everyday, it's hard to ban and you can't really adopt it either because much of it is at odds with British law and society in general. Contrary to popular belief, there is no central network, no supreme sharia judge, no sharia bar, no sharia AGM, no sharia ombudsman, no sharia HQ and no torts.

Sharia law isn't even written down and most Muslims will dip in and out of it when it suits them. They might be very particular about getting a sharia compliant mortgage but ignore the advice on archery and wrestling. Sharia courts/tribunals/whatever rarely have offices (although they may have websites) and they're certainly not in the habit of swapping notes for best practice. It's a bad comparison but the fluid, almost nebulous nature of sharia courts is like al-Qaeda without the violence and their ubiquity like a Domino's Pizza franchise. Any topping as long as it's halal

It tells Muslims how to live their lives in almost exhaustive detail. It spans everything from hair removal to jihad. To ban sharia law in the UK would involve banning imams – and we don't know how many of those there are – and to deprogramme Muslims to stop their default setting being Channel Sharia. You would also have to block websites and cut off access to phone lines and shut down mosques. There are plenty of people on this site who might like to see that happen. But I will leave that article to someone else.

When my father died, my mother decided that, although under British law she was entitled to everything, she wanted to settle things according to Islamic law so she could "die with a clear conscience". She asked my brother to call an imam. The imam said my brothers would get twice the share of my sister and I and so on. On learning that my father had a son by a previous marriage, the imam said my half brother must also have a share in my dad's estate. So, a man who is a stranger to us tells us that another man who is a stranger to us is entitled to a stake in our family home, where we have lived for 25 years and he has never set foot in.

The story about my half-brother is a complicated one and best left alone. But he – according to sharia – is entitled to more of a share than my sister and me. His claim would never stand up in a British court – he is not a citizen so I don't know how he would contest it – but in this case sharia law overrides British law. In another case, my friend's husband died several years ago. They were not married under British law, just Islamic law. Upon his death she was unable to prove they were married – he was the father of her children and they shared a home – and no imam or sharia body was able to come to her assistance. Sharia law, in this instance too, was found sorely lacking in common sense and justice. Had she married under civil law the ghastly practicalities that follow a death might have been less protracted and there might have been less anxiety about the security of her family. Had he been alive and had she chosen to divorce, her only remedy would have been a sharia divorce. But there would have been an almighty tussle over the kids, not to mention enormous family pressure from both sides to stay with him.

Ultimately, from my own experiences and from those of my friends, sharia is driven by the needs of a community rather than an individual. Whatever the protestations of its fans, this system of law does not favour women or local custom. While it is impossible to outlaw it, a better and more realistic solution would be to educate people about the advantages of British law, which, while it has its flaws, is more developed and grounded in reality and fairness
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PostSubject: Re: VIDEO: Somali woman whipped for wearing trousers.   Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:50 pm

A less known Sharia Fact is this..

There is no legal age of marriage under Sharia and a girl can be given in marriage as young as the age of one. But marriage can only be lawfully consummated with a girl when she reaches the age of nine.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah between 1979 and 1989, said in an official statement, which appears in his book, Tahrirolvasyleh:

A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by Sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wivesIt is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husbands house rather than her fathers home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

There is no minimal age for entering marriage the Prophet Mohammed is the model tofollow.
Mohammed supposedly married his wife Aisha when she was six years old and consummated their marriage when she was nine.

The clerics wish to hide as much of this from us as they can. Many Muslims themselves are embarrassed by this and are trying to hide these facts about male sexual rights even from their sons.�

Under Islam, husbands, in order to make their wife (or wives) obedient, are also given permission to beat her if she rebels. Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and [as to] those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Furthermore, the Hadith, or the sayings of Islamic prophet Mohammed, says, �A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife. As a result of these religious rights, many Muslim women who are beaten hide their abuse because it is considered rebelling against your husband to complain about him, even if he beats you.




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