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PostSubject: Violence   Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:29 am

It was on TV about the rise in female related violence/attacks. The common view held is that violence is attributed to males, and that females are a more inclined to be a solidarity.

The rise is female led related violence is nothing new, what is new that it is finally bringing the police in. Wheras common place female led violence was contained in the scholl playground bubble.

The rise in girl gang related violence is also on the up.

Male led related violence is it any worse than female or do you consider females led violence far worse than the similair male related crimes?

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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:50 am

It is viewed lesser of a crime if a woman batters a man than vice versa (domestic violence wise)...

It gets virtually shrugged off yet if a man does the same deed, even to a lesser extent, it's clamped down on...

This stems from the fact that the man must be a pussy if a woman beats him, but i've been punched in the face by women who've hit equally as hard as any man..
A kick in the balls hurts no less from a womans boot than a mans..
And what if its a man who, no matter the provocation, won't hit back, or doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body..?

If it works for one then, in my book, it works for the other..



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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:29 am

Violence , no matter who is the perpetrator , is to be condamned . Some men will possibly not hit back at a woman by fear of reprisals and being named as a woman beater . It is quite possible that certain violent women , or girls gangs , know this and use it as a weapon .
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:23 pm

Gaznandi wrote:
It is viewed lesser of a crime if a woman batters a man than vice versa (domestic violence wise)...

It gets virtually shrugged off yet if a man does the same deed, even to a lesser extent, it's clamped down on...

This stems from the fact that the man must be a pussy if a woman beats him, but i've been punched in the face by women who've hit equally as hard as any man..
A kick in the balls hurts no less from a womans boot than a mans..
And what if its a man who, no matter the provocation, won't hit back, or doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body..?

If it works for one then, in my book, it works for the other..

I agree, all violence is jsut that, violence not matter who dishes it out. Even after all these years, it still shocks me the attitude towards men who have been beaten up by a woman or partner of either sex, and the humiliation they get from the Police and Jutstic system. So many are so afraid of the ridicule they won't report it.

Gaz, like you said,a woman can hit just as hard as a man. So why the still same beliief women are weaker and not violent, begs belief.

Men fight, to KO the oppostion. Women fight to cause maximum humilation, mental damge and physical damage.

Again, I agree with Inuit, women cana nd do use the manbeater as a weapon. Girl gangs often target women rather than men. The mental damage is claimed to be higher if a woman is attacked by a girlgang.

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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:34 pm

Girl violence is rising here as well . People at first took it as some kind of joke but are coming to realise that the girls/women are just as violent as the men .
certain of their victims were fairly good looking women but were less so after the attacks.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:14 am

So sexism is nonsense ... ? Weird one that.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:48 am

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So sexism is nonsense ... ? Weird one that.
Please explain yourself more?
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:03 am

I just mean that gender stereotypes are almost always stupid, this shouldn't be surprising.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:28 pm

Most things are stupid at the end of the day. There is always an element of it threading itself through things. Take bullying, noneed for it and it is just stupidity on the part of the bully. After all common sense and responsiblity should kick in and stop such a stupid pointless act.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:53 am

Auparavent, the women who were violated, were badly treated(handled) by the police which thought that they had encouraged the men.

Today it is the same thing but in the other direction. The men who are mistreated by women are cataloged "gay". And the women play on the fact that a (normal) man, feels reluctant to strike a woman.

In both cases, I condemn the abuses of power on others.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:25 pm

The police are also to blame for the 'Gay' term and ridicule, if men report their wife or even the male partner. Whichis why their are a high volume of unreported abuse cases for them. The riducle alone puts many off from reporting and endure it in silence.

Even in some abused females cases, there are incidents where they are made to feel it is their fault and they asked for it, by either dresing so or being drunk.

Sadly also marrigage does not escape some ridicule or derision from those who are in a postion to upheld the law

Violence has many forms, beatings are just one form. There is also control, verbal, online, phone, honor beatings, poision pond, feeders and many more other forms.

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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:24 pm

...BUT... how do we break this oppressive stigma in a species that seems to value physical dominance so ridiculously highly, second only to material wealth?

Is it even possible, or are we bound by our primitive nature forever more?

To me it seems that those that would ridicule are really the ones deserving of pity. The fact that their self worth comes ( even partially ) from the misfortune of others is both sad and worrying.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:52 pm

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...BUT... how do we break this oppressive stigma in a species that seems to value physical dominance so ridiculously highly, second only to material wealth?

Is it even possible, or are we bound by our primitive nature forever more?

To me it seems that those that would ridicule are really the ones deserving of pity. The fact that their self worth comes ( even partially ) from the misfortune of others is both sad and worrying.

Its human nature, pet. We are one of the worst animals on this planet. While some of us are still animalistic, others not so. Only time will tell if that part of us will change or vanish.

To be human = survial of the fittest. That means for some trampling over others to gain eith those bullying qualities or material wealth.

humans are slos sub species, the class system is the defintion.

I once thought it was worth piting those who scorn, bullyin ridicule others to make themselves feel better. Now I don't give them eithr that. Give a bully pity and you empower them further. Best thing to do is either acknowledge their bullying and then to simply ignore them, they don't get that empowering they crave.
Sad to say worlds full of bullies in one form or another and theo rest is people geting by life as best they can and ducking in and out of the radar of tough knocks and unfair practise with glimmers of rainbows.

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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:56 am

While I agree that we are the worst animals on the planet I can't accept 'human nature'; after all it's really only behaviours that we can't yet explain properly. It's like witchcraft in a world that doesn't yet know of pathogens... Although we are still primitive animals playing civilisation assigning our faults to human nature always seems like a massive cop out to me.

Whilst there is no doubt about survival of the fittest, it can be overridden and to a large degree it has been. [ for a lot of people ] gone are the days of hunting and war for survival; We live in houses, go to shops, drive, wear synthetic materials, etc. Granted, we seem to have replaced it with 'survival of the richest' but I would argue that our economic system is broken, corrupted by those at the top's attempts to stay there not by our collective 'nature'. Either way we've moved the goalposts of our evolutionary path and, at least to a degree, overcome Spencer's phrase. It just takes more work.

Maybe I'm wrong ( I usually am ) but I just can't see 'human nature' as some inescapable prison...

'Life is shit and then you die' ... but does it really have to be?
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:25 pm

Lifes what you make of it given the resources around you. With most set agaisnt you life is shit then you die.

Its ingrained the nature, primeval, live, hunt , mate, fight, die. Simple yet its violent.

We're born from violence and pain. Gas and air aside it is still a violent act. Babies are parasite and that is what we are in base form.
Parasites that fight to compete and remain alive. Can our violent nature be tamed or bred out?

With violence assalting us on every level and medium how can it? We can modify violence within outselves, to keep it under control and under mental lock and key.

Yet when exposed to an act that means we either fight or fly, fight still appears to rise up in our defence.

Society has intertwined and played upon that defence mechanism, encouraging it to remain active. Society is geared to be a large gladiatorial ring. We fight to live, whether actual physical violence is used or not. Human life = violent. Therfore the answer has to be no, we can't free ourselves of violence, its impossible.

Toomany things would have to change.. news, fiilms, books, attitudes, everything is tainted wit violence. To remove violence then all its tentacles have to be severed, again using violence to end violence.

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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:14 pm

Surely, since we are society and society is us, we are in the perfect position to change it?
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:46 pm

Are we?

Society is multi structured. Can one structure influence or engage a change when the other structures do not bow to change or want it?

I can change me but can I change you and can you change me? That is the question.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:46 am

No, I can't change your mind; I can aid you in changing it yourself though and if you don't come around to my way of thinking I'll kill you...
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:31 pm

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No, I can't change your mind; I can aid you in changing it yourself though and if you don't come around to my way of thinking I'll kill you...

I'm a woman first, voodoo witch second and a high priestest of silliness... and you think you can change my mind or bump me off. Not a chance you got more chance of making the government write I must not piss off the public, the public are my employers and I must obey the hand that pays me, 1000 times. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:43 pm

Aha! A good chance then since I'm pretty sure that they would write it with a smile on their face and one hand behind their your back, robbing your house, crapping on your kids and molesting your dog ... evil bastards.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:26 pm

Violence of any sort is built into human nature and goes back to the time when humanity started climbing out of the proverbial tree. It was and still is, a question of eat or be eaten. To stay alive and procreate , only the strongest were given this right, as all pack animals are. Human beings do not forfeit this right. To do so would mean eventually the extinction of the human race as we know it.
However a difference should be made in regards of free violence and necessary violence. Free violence is the beating up, the killing of some-one with no reason. To use this violence for personnel gain in any form is to be condonned , as should be in any society. Necessary violence is that of protecting ones self or family, no matter what the outcome of the person receiving the violence. It could also be to make a place for ones self in society but then it would not really be physical violence , but more of imposing ones thoughts and presence on others and have them give you reason.
Violence , as with the word Liberty, is subject to the way in which each individual translates it . Whether it be by way of a verbal or physical attack. Violence for some could just well be a form of discipline for others . A beating a way of making ones self respected for his or hers physical strength and right to lead the pack. A verbal agression a way of expriming an opinion.
No matter what any one says or does to aleviate the problem, violence will always be an inherent part of our society.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:38 pm

So could argue all violence in un necessary. There is no need.

Yet as with sex, violence sells and the more violent it is be it games or fights they generate revenue and interest.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:36 pm

The point is, though, that today, 'survival of the fittest' need not apply. I mean, if you are saying that it's a necessary part of humanity then let's burn MS sufferers ... abort babies with Down's syndrome ... drown the poor... eat the hungry...

I think that we must differentiate between violence in entertainment and violence as a practice in life too.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:48 pm

Films , games etc give people access to violence, and so doing means that they can be a spectater , participating , without actually taking part. As with the ancient roman games and today with Boxing . They can quench their thirst for violence without the personnel physical pain.
There is a need for some sort of violence , as long as it is channeled properly. This helps people to give vent to their inner frustrations and so let off steam. Without which society today would be even more violent . It can be a simple matter of hitting the sofa while watching a football match. It is a physical violent act in such , but lets a lot of tension boil down to nothing.
Turnip , even today , the survival of the fittest still exists , in every walk of human life. Whether it be in the work place, sports club , no matter where. It is just that it has taken a different direction and has become more "civilised" . Certainly , people must make a difference between the different forms of violence. The problem today that people see acters get shot etc in films , then see them alive and kicking in another. In video games , people get killed and get up straight afterwards. Some people can not make that difference and in real life think nothing of beating or killing some-one . Plus others do it just because some-one gets in their way and impedes them from doing what they want . To them it is an everyday occurence and has no signification.
As Spirella said, violence generates high financial return , people pay to see others get beaten and killed. As long as this stops it happening in real life , well and good. But the facts show that this is not often the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Violence   Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:48 pm

We've already acknowledged the transformation of 'survival of the fittest' - we seem to have replaced physical dominance with wealth - but my grievance is with your insistence on it being a need or a necessity.

Taking your stress alleviating example, a lot of people will find a Martini or two works much better, or walking in the woods, or any number of things... I couldn't tell you the numbers but I must ask at what stage is a behaviour promoted from 'something some people do' to 'human nature'?






Maybe I'm too far removed from reality but we always seem to get stuck in the way things are, unable to see past them to the way they could be...

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