UK Riots break out.

Violence has erupted in Manchester and urban areas across the West Midlands, while London remains comparatively quiet. Here are the latest headlines from day four of the riots:

• Hundreds of youths are on the rampage in Salford and Manchester - shops have been looted and burned.
• West Midlands Police are dealing with disturbances in Wolverhampton and West Bromwich.
• Plans to prevent a fourth night of violence in the capital, where 16,000 police are on duty, appear to be working.
• A police station in Nottingham was firebombed by a group of 30 to 40 men


Graham Stringer, Labour MP for Blackley and Broughton, believes the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police "has a lot to answer for". He said: "This was predicted. The police knew it was coming. It was coordinated and organised by well-known criminals and gangsters”
by Press Association LiveBlog 11:00 PM


The arrests followed incidents of minor disorder on estates around central Milton Keynes with officers being deployed to Eaglestone, Garraways, Coffee Hall, Bean Hill and Netherfield
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:58 PM


BREAKING: Four men have been arrested in connection with incidents of "minor disorder" in Milton Keynes


Police officers drafted in from North Wales are stationed on Regent's Street, central London
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:55 PM


Tony Lloyd, Labour MP for Manchester Central, said there was "uniform condemnation" of the rioting, adding: "They are trashing the lives of other Mancunians and it's unforgivable."
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:52 PM


Leicestershire Police said their officers were dealing with a group of youths in Leicester city centre
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:46 PM


Former Oasis frontman Liam Gallagher's recently opened fashion boutique in King Street fell victim to the looters
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:43 PM


A police station in Nottingham was firebombed by a group of 30 to 40 men, Nottinghamshire Police said. No injuries were reported
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:32 PM


Glen Barkworth, general manager of the Arndale Centre told Sky News: "I came into the centre and I witnessed what was going on from an upper level, and to see the public having to flee in terror as the youths were bounding through the centre (of the city) was a sight I hope I never have to see ever again."
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:22 PM

Joanne Sheppard tweets from Salford: @redskyatnight Can see 2 smoke clouds both v near my house. Not even sure what's burning. Please don't let them be residential. #Salford #Manchester
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:16 PM


Also via Twitter: @ilonacatherine Looting Oxfam. That has to be a new low. #manchesterriots
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:10 PM


@TomScorza Any parents whose children are on the streets tonight should be charged with assisting an offender. Agreed? #manchesterriots
by Press Association LiveBlog 10:06 PM


Twitter user @JacquiAnnC has posted video footage from central Manchester, saying: "Frightening. My everyday bus stop." video #manchesterriots
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Police making an arrest in Salford. (AP)
by Press Association LiveBlog AC 9:51 PM


Earlier reproting - "Complete chaos in #salford now. Lidl has been ransacked. no police to be seen."
And in latest news he says there is a burning house on the roundabout near Fitzwarren Street.
by Press Association LiveBlog AC 9:47 PM

Salford precinct now appears to be on fire. My eyes are stinging from the smoke.
by Press Association LiveBlog AC 9:45 PM












Joe has the measure of it.

Britan might be broken.... too right it is.

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We can expect politicians of all parties to avoid the real reasons behind the weekend's violence in London.

You might think politicians' strangely sluggish response to the rioting was because half of them are on holiday. In fact, their motivation is more problematic than that.

MPs began by being condemnatory, articulating the average families' breakfast table opinions on the national stage. The youths engaged in the looting and vandalism were doing so purely out of opportunism. They're criminals, pure and simple.

Of course they are. But simply stating so deflects attention from the bigger issues which are now in play, whether those in power like it or not. This violence isn't happening in a vacuum.

A big part of politicians' sluggish response is that they're scared. Scared that by trying to explain the violence, they risk being seen as attempting to excuse it.

Some awkward, heavy-handed attempts have already been made. Chris Williamson, the Labour backbencher for Derby North, tweeted: "Why is it the Tories never take responsibility for the consequences of their party's disastrous policies?"

He appeared to be suggesting the coalition's policies were responsible, prompting a furious online backlash from some right-wing quarters.

Playing politics with something as big as this doesn't quite work. The coalition has only been in power for slightly more than a year. We need to look to a broader perspective to understand this.

Claudia Webbe offered an attempt to sum up the bigger issues in play this morning. She's the chair of the Metropolitan police's Independent Advisory Group for Operation Trident, which tackles gun crime in London's black community.

She told the Today programme: "It appeared to me that those who were attacking the police directly... and seeking to attack anything they sought to regard as an institution were venting out issues to do with issues of inequality, decades of generational unemployment, poverty, stop and search - being over-policed if you like. That quickly disappeared into a thuggish, violent criminality that we have to condemn."

A lot more complex than just blaming the government, in short.

Her interpretation offers three distinct phases. The peaceful vigil; targeted anger against authority; and then, in the febrile atmosphere this created, a rapid escalation towards the mindless disorder of opportunism.

Choosing to condemn the latter, while ignoring that critical middle stage, just doesn't get to the heart of the matter.

Britain is not the country it was just a few years ago. At a fundamental level, the state has been weakened. Confidence in its guardians - the politicians, the police and the press - has been eroded, most notably by the expenses and phone-hacking scandals. First recession and then an uncertain recovery haven't helped. Finally, dissent against the coalition's bold austerity agenda is creating a culture of gung-ho anarchy. The bonds of law and order, and the social ties on which its maintenance rests, are weaker in Britain today.

There is a chance politicians will ignore the opportunity to address this problem. It is not in the interests of any of the main parties for this to be assessed. The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats, in government, will want to downplay any such negative talk. Labour, who have spent 13 of the last 14 years in power, are as culpable - if not more so - in the deep-set social problems underpinning the violence.

Those who attempt to offer an explanation risk being shouted down. They shouldn't be deterred from issuing warnings about Britain's fragility.

In 2007, then leader of the opposition David Cameron famously claimed Britain was "broken". That wasn't true then. Nor is it now. But as events like those this weekend show, we're getting there.

It's critical that Britain takes a long hard look at itself and seeks to work out how these setbacks can be reversed. Confronting the scale of the problem we face would be a good place to start. What a shame, therefore, that politicians will be doing everything they can to ignore this burgeoning crisis

Politicans don't care, the rich don't give a hoot unless ones Tarquin may be ina spot of trouble by some gutter life.

England is a powder keg of hate, frustration, anger and whole lot of equally fire inducing touchpaper.

What will the politicans make sympathy noises in public to gain a vote and sit seeting as some gutterlifes have exploded and cut short their publically funded holidays on the med.


Riot, this maybe, civilwar is never that far away. In the space of 2 hours a bunch of kids can cause chaos. What would people saying no and standing still for 1 minute all at the same time do. Make the politicans take notice, UK has had enough of paying the rich and barely feeding themselves because of it.

1 minutes standstill and the word NO, will upset the infrastructure. Thats how you get noticed.

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At this most difficult of times it is not surprising that we are getting deluged with opinions. Some people are telling us to buy, some are telling us to sell, and some are telling us to sit tight -- they can't all be right.

In the search for the best answer, wouldn't it make sense to listen to someone who has a track record of getting these calls right? But what if this person's views are negative, so negative in fact that he is typically derided as a 'doom-monger'? Should you reject his views as too extreme, or should you take a deep breath, suspend your disbelief, and listen?

Dr Doom

Well, the person I am talking about is Nouriel Roubini. Of Turkish origin, he is not short of intellect, being a professor of economics at New York Stern with a doctorate from Harvard. His bearish tendencies have gained him the nickname 'Dr Doom'.

During his long academic career, Roubini spent a considerable amount of time studying the emerging market crises in Asia and Latin America. In particular, he worked at the IMF (Berlin: MXG1.BE - news) in 2001 as it battled the financial meltdown in Argentina.

These experiences were crucial in his calling the credit crunch. "I've been studying emerging markets for 20 years, and saw the same signs in the US that I saw then, which was that we were in a massive credit bubble," he said.

Calling the crunch

On 7 September 2006 Roubini stood before an audience of economists at the IMF and announced that a crisis was brewing. He warned that, in the coming months and years, the United States would suffer a massive housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession.

He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners defaulting on mortgages, trillions of pounds worth of mortgage-backed securities unravelling worldwide and the global financial system shuddering to a halt. These developments would cripple or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial institutions.

After his presentation people were dismissive -- the moderator of the event even joked, "I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that." Two years later, I don't think anyone was laughing. You don't need me to tell you Roubini was shown to be on the money in spectacular fashion.

Roubini's success in predicting the credit crunch turned him from an obscure academic to a major figure in the debate about the world economy. He had become a prophet: a prophet of doom.

Predicting the crisis of 2011

So fast forward to 2010. Despite recovering economies and stock markets, Roubini said that the crisis was not over: "We are just at the next stage. This is where we move from a private to a public debt problem... We socialised part of the private losses by bailing out financial institutions and providing fiscal stimulus to avoid the great recession from turning into a depression. But rising public debt is never a free lunch, eventually you have to pay for it."

Then, in May 2010, the first Greek debt crisis hit. Here was Roubini's take on the situation: "We have to start to worry about the solvency of governments. What is happening today in Greece is the tip of the iceberg of rising sovereign debt problems in the eurozone, in the UK, in Japan (NYSE: MCO - news) and in the US. This... is going to be the next issue in the global financial crisis."

Roubini had called the financial crisis, the second leg of the Credit Crunch, that is just emerging at the moment.

So, what next?

So, you may be interested in hearing what Nouriel Roubini is predicting right now.

Firstly, is the US and Europe (Chicago Options: ^REURTRUSD - news) 's economic slowdown just a 'soft patch', or is it something worse?

Roubini is clear -- we are likely to enter a second recession. "The first half of 2011 showed a slowdown of growth -- if not outright contraction -- in most advanced economies. Optimists said this was a temporary soft patch. This delusion has been dashed. Even before last week's panic, the US and other advanced economies were odds-on for a second severe recession."

What about the European debt crisis? "...the eurozone periphery is now contracting, or barely growing at best. The risk that Italy or Spain -- and perhaps both -- will lose access to debt markets is now very high. Unlike Greece, Portugal and Ireland (Berlin: IIK.BE - news) these two countries are too big to be bailed out."

So what can we do? Well Roubini recommends short-term fiscal stimulus, rather than the fiscal tightening that is occurring in most countries, followed by medium-term fiscal austerity. He also recommends further quantitative easing and the European Central Bank cutting interest rates to zero.

Perhaps most revealingly, he says: "Another recession may not be preventable. But policy can stop a second depression. That is reason enough for swift and targeted action."

Now, everyone is fallible, and Roubini has got some of his calls wrong in the past, but I am minded to agree with his view that things are going to get worse before they get better. I don't know about you, but I am battening down the hatches.

And Dr Doom got it spot on. Shame our own government and councils with their millions in the bank, that the taxpayer paid them after the lying bastards hid large volumes of money in the Icelandic bank that then crahsed, didn't listen to him.

How do these people sleep at night? Cutting services while having a nice comfy nestegg to sit on. UK's gone to hell in handcart, that the teaxplayers also paid for.

I can't see the Unhelping us out. we're already westernised and not savages. Oh wait there maybe help coming them lol

I'm waiting for Stoke to get involved, i need a new tele...

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I'm waiting for Stoke to get involved, i need a new tele...

Blimey, you mean they haven't. We've had riots, the elderly in their hoodies, were massing outside the post office. I tell ya I legged it

I think this is bad I am glad I live up in Scotland as we have not had these problems here
and I hope we don`t get them

Find it odd The Scottish haven't rebelled yet. Me thinks history is wrong, it was the scots built Hadrians wall to keep the rioting tea leaf pilching english out.