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PostSubject: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 5:24 pm

I'd very much like your opinions on this one............

I think yes,

It is a pointless war, nothing will be gained from years and years of fighting and needless death.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 5:30 pm

i know its harsh but the way i see it is that they started a war we pretty much won it and now were tryin to sort there country out its not are problem get ar lads out
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 5:54 pm

TDKING wrote:
i know its harsh but the way i see it is that they started a war we pretty much won it and now were tryin to sort there country out its not are problem get ar lads out

Erm, nope.........

They were running their own country, America wanted Bin Laden after 9/11.......he was 'said' to be in their mountain range somewhere, they wouldnt go root him out, America invaded and we followed suit...

This is against the Taliban, who America backed against the Soviet invasion and who were invited to the Whitehouse in Clintons presidency...

We never won pretty much won any war with em, they didn't start it, we did, and trying sort their country out is neither ours nor the Americans job..

Dont think we'd be to impressed should any foreign country invade us and decide how it should be run, no different over there....

So, no, we shouldn't be there, never should have in the first place, its an unwinnable war against a hidden enemy..the whole might of Russia failed, so will we..

Our Vietnam methinks..


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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 6:31 pm

I voted for NO

I'll explain my reasoning tomorrow when my head is a little clearer ... no point in this post then actually but ...
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 6:32 pm

Bee you hammerd mate ?
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 6:38 pm

Nah not that much, just think I need to get my wording right before I make such a "bold statement"

I'd like to hear more about why you think our troops should pull out though?
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 6:50 pm

Coz they just shouldnt be there at all we lost troops over a pointless objective and we aint ever gonna find bin laden pull troops out n nuke the fuckin place if they want him dead so much or is it the fact where there for the oil
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 7:00 pm

Well, there aint no oil in Afghanistan mate but you could argue that they want to build an oil line through the country.

The question was 'should the war stop?' ... rights or wrongs about whether the war was right to begin with, you have to look at it like this ...

Muslim extremism is a relevant and very, VERY real danger. Yes, the USA's neo-con style politics has encouraged a lot of it but, now that its here, isn't it best to fight it in one place? Rather than have thousands of the nutjobs taking their bombs to Europe, the UK?
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 7:09 pm

The major threat though comes from Pakistan, nowhere else, all the 'experts' say so....

So lets get invading there instead, its where the camps are, the training is and the hardline rhetoric is........

But we wont, cuz theyz a Power nation ( nuclear capability ) and Afghanistan chucks goats...


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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 7:16 pm

Exactly, Pakistan is a power nation, same Saudi Arabia, so is Iran ...

Its not Afghani's that we are fighting, its more than likely people from the countrys I just mentioned,

Afghanistan has become the battlefield for the West vs Islam ... and I'd rather have it there than the streets of Britain.

And yeah, this is a war that needs to be fought imo.
The reasoning for the start of the war might have been false, but, you gotta live in the present ... pull out now and you will see bomd after bomb after bomb in the UK/
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 7:22 pm

I agree totally mate.........
But only cuz we spat first, if we hadn't the threat on the UK would be far far smaller than it is now...

Because of the Afghan conflict we're every 'Alah Akbaars' wet dream......


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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 7:35 pm

Yup, we need to get out of the Yanks arses ...

They have invented this Islam vs thing and whether or not it was invented ... its real now. Its become its own breed and

Iit needs to be fought. Even if it takes the next 100 years ...

Al Quaeda doesn't exist but the thought of it encourages more and more, so in the warped end ... it does end up existing.

Its all fucked up
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 8:53 pm

i voted no but not because i dont think it should stop just because we cant just all pile up and leave. in order to pull out of a war the enemy needs to stop shooting. if they dont as we pull out we get more and more out numbered and the ones who dont get to leave first are in grave danger, even more than before because the enemy will know that it is there chance to attack.

so in short we need a truce of some sort or pulling out will just get out loved ones killed because we can not just all pile in planes and leave at the same time.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSat Aug 22, 2009 9:22 pm

No.
Re: 1. Poppies. The Taliban has no problem with growing them, refining them, and them selling the product. From their perspective, all the drugs that can be made from poppies are a simple matter of supply and demand. Gaz is right, it isn't the reason why we went there and has only recently become an issue. But it is an important issue nonetheless.

2. The Taliban believe in the old fashioned sense of "He with the biggest guns and biggest army makes the rules." - except when it isn't them. Then the ones making the rules are "godless dogs" and should die. Sure, it would be nice to let the Taliban run the country and allow them to do their own thing their way. But, their way includes iron-fisting their own people - telling them what to do, when and how to do it. When their people are sited for something bad, like growing poppies, the Taliban will simply raise their hands and say, "We can't control them!" When in actuality, the Taliban in control are directing everything. They even tell their people what they can and cannot believe about religion, history - you name it. They will only allow and encourage beliefs that will strengthen their position. If a given idea doesn't do this, it is declared "against the will of God" and must be suppressed at any cost.
Yes folks, the Taliban is religion in action at its worst. THAT is why they must be defeated. Only a nation that operates on secular rules can hope to achieve a society that ALL its people can live well in.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSun Aug 23, 2009 12:48 pm

yes it should stop all we hear every day we open a news paper is our soldiers getting killed by these sick individuals. I say we should pull out now before there is any more deaths. kids growing up not getting to know there mum or dad bloody sad so it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeSun Aug 23, 2009 2:50 pm

@stranger you cant just pull out of a war like i said in my post. it just gets more people killed.

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so in short we need a truce of some sort or
pulling out will just get out loved ones killed because we can not just
all pile in planes and leave at the same time.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeMon Aug 24, 2009 5:00 am

yeah you have a point thegreatest just some carry on all these soldiers getting killed all the time from these loony of people that think they are going to go to a heaven and have 10 wifes and etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the war in Afghanistan stop?   Should the war in Afghanistan stop? Icon_minitimeMon Aug 24, 2009 1:45 pm

I am actually unsure on this. For one the idea was to free the Afghan people from the terrorists. However when you dig deeper not all is as it seems and our western ideals are not on par with their own society. There women for one are treated like second class citizens. They are in that respect anti western.

Also those very same terrorist paid the poor villages to turn blind eye. Is the war ever going to win with that going on?

As some chief bigwig in the government said, we can drive out the terrorists that is the easy part. Keeping them out is the hardest thing to do. As soon as we leave they will come back. Meaning we have to stay there to ensure they stay out. This is a no win war.

Look to our own past, Britain is no angel. We have done the very samething we now frown upon. The opinion wars in India, our empire expansions, enslavery etc.

Can we really stand on shocked moral highground when it is littered with the blood and caracasses on our own terroism?
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