All these protests in the Middle East..

Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Morocco, Iran, Djibouti, Algeria..

Never thought i'd see the day...

The death toll is rising throughout as live ammo is being used in some of the regions...


C/O Skynews:
While each country has its own grievances, the protest movement is said to be largely caused by high unemployment, rising food prices and a large young population who are disillusioned with corrupt and repressive regimes


Anyone think it'll peter out or grow stronger..?

Big stuff this, surprised no-ones mentioned it...

Yeah Libyan death toll is 200 and rising and Iran aren't known for their pleasantries..

Personaaly, I ruddy hope I'm not alone here, that the Uk needs to bloody follow suit and being the government into touch with the real world. I'd would go ona protest march, peacefully. When violence is used it defeats the object.

Which reminds me I must get on and put up my petition to the goverment about making them do what they say in promise inthe election bullcrap. Among others.

Kadhafi's son said that the rebellion would be put down with a blood bath . In Iran it would be much the same thing . Apparently some of the military sided with the demonstrators and today arms stores were bombarded by the libyien airforce .
Brave young people out there are being excecuted , a bullet in the head or neck , just for having stood up and saying " no more!". They know what they risk and are willing to take that risk if it can help free them of a dictator .

It says something when the governments of these places use force, unleash their killers on peaceful protests.

And we bloody do business with them. Says alot about our government.

The french as well ! They are like Khadafi , always ready to screw people for a quick buck .

I don't think that much will really change ultimately even if each revolution is 'successful' largely because of the unbalance in our world ( both politically and economically ) created and maintained by what I believe boils down to egomania. Real change will require a revolution of the [collective] mind.

Having said that I find it inspiring and support them ( only in spirit so far ), especially in Egypt - since it's the only one that I've actually been to - that was quite obviously a mess.

I wonder where the our state will outsource torture to now ... ?

Probably use it here.

So... Thoughts on the GCC actions in Bahrain ( and Iran's objection ), potential for 'western' intervention in Libya, etc?

Don't know why we keep getting involved. Let them get on with it i say. All that ends up happening is that we go in to try and help, welcomed with open arms at first, then gradually are turned against and hated. Followed by their fellow countrymen (who were until this point happen to live in the UK with all it's benefits), start spitting on the soldiers who return from helping the country out that they either abandoned or have never set foot in to start with.

Let the middle east and all around that region squabble amongst themselves and get on with it. With a bit of luck they will wipe themselves out and leave a great place for what can finally be a sunny Butlin's resort

I think you may sum up a large proportion of what is wrong with our species. No offence.

None taken, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just expressing mine (i though thats what this forum was about), don't expect others to agree with it.
So what would you say to those muslims that stand/live on British soil, benefit from what this country has to offer and then spit and gob on returning British Soldiers?

Opinions are precisely what this place is about, don't ever be afraid to express them, whatever they may be, just be prepared to have them argued against or disagreed with, it's the healthy way...

Enjoy yer selves folks...

Just to clarify, I mean sum up with your words, not yourself; it isn't a personal attack. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinions and expression of them, that was never in question.

Anyway, I would say to those muslims that spitting is vulgar and counter-productive, what would you expect me to say?

Probably not very much.

But i know what i would say and probably 99% of British people too, and i don't think they would be wrong or show what is wrong with our species.

What is it that you and the majority of Britain would say?

You know exactly what that is, that they should be shipped out, sent home, and left to get on with it in their own country if they don't want the help that much!

Call me what you like, call the majority of this country what you like. Say we are wrong for the hatred towards the people. But we don't behead people, we don't spit and abuse those who are trying to help us and we don't go to their country, take the help and benefits it offers and then stand on their streets and preach hate for the people whos country we then live in. If that makes us wrong then so be it.

And for the record, my fathers side of my family are muslims and they are horrible nasty fuckers. This isn't me being bitter towards a race because of part of my own family. But more the fact that i have first hand experience of what the religion and culture is about.

TK Trooper wrote:

Don't know why we keep getting involved. Let them get on with it i say. All that ends up happening is that we go in to try and help, welcomed with open arms at first, then gradually are turned against and hated. Followed by their fellow countrymen (who were until this point happen to live in the UK with all it's benefits), start spitting on the soldiers who return from helping the country out that they either abandoned or have never set foot in to start with.

Let the middle east and all around that region squabble amongst themselves and get on with it. With a bit of luck they will wipe themselves out and leave a great place for what can finally be a sunny Butlin's resort

We keep getting involved to secure the oil routes. Those who hold the oil hold the world to ransom.

Can we afford it, no. Is it right, to protect people, yes. To protect peope in order to have some sway and have anice oil deal come our way, NO.

Should the West enforce its freedom and democratic ways on the Arabian States. No. We can politley show our ways but should never ram them down or enforce our ways on others.

We can open up debates to show how the Wests way are healthier to adopt, but we should neveer aruge down those points.

As far as the Arabian states are concerned our ways are those of a greedy nation with little considerations to it's people, laws and lifestyles.

I'm not arguing the west's ways are better, or enforce them on others. Quite the opposite, if you don't like our ways or country then leave. If your countries ways are so good then go live there and live those ways.

I know a lot of it is based on oil and never really the reasons they give. But my opinion is to pull out and leave them to it in their own country. Even with the likes of the Libyans (at least the rebels) who have asked for outside intervention, they will end up turning on those offering help.

TK Trooper wrote:

I'm not arguing the west's ways are better, or enforce them on others. Quite the opposite, if you don't like our ways or country then leave. If your countries ways are so good then go live there and live those ways.

I know a lot of it is based on oil and never really the reasons they give. But my opinion is to pull out and leave them to it in their own country. Even with the likes of the Libyans (at least the rebels) who have asked for outside intervention, they will end up turning on those offering help.

There lies the problem. Which ways are ours and should we accept others ways or ignore or ban them?

Gris Gris wrote:

TK Trooper wrote:

I'm not arguing the west's ways are better, or enforce them on others. Quite the opposite, if you don't like our ways or country then leave. If your countries ways are so good then go live there and live those ways.

I know a lot of it is based on oil and never really the reasons they give. But my opinion is to pull out and leave them to it in their own country. Even with the likes of the Libyans (at least the rebels) who have asked for outside intervention, they will end up turning on those offering help.

There lies the problem. Which ways are ours and should we accept others ways or ignore or ban them?

If it is the ways of another country then ignore them and let them get on with it. If it is other countries ways that are being practiced in our country and conflict with our ways then ban them. These people came here by choice for what ever reason. It annoys me that they then start dictating how the way of life should be here. To me that is arrogant. The same way that we and america are quick to shove our noses into other countries business. Leave them be to get on with it. If a couple in your street are having a massive row, you don't take it upon yourself to go round and sort it out for them. You leave them to it to sort it themselves. We are to quick, along with the yanks to interfere.

I am here by chance alone, an accident of birth, why am I more justified in expressing an opinion just because I didn't have the choice to come here?

As for the domestic analogy, I would like to think that if it had quite clearly turned to excessive violence and murder ( as it has ) that most people would try to diffuse the situation. I believe that the action being taken is wrong but I don't believe that nothing should be done.